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Hello All, Can anyone help me with identifying and dating this. There is not a crackle one in the glaze. Rim is coin silver. Simply beautiful!
Such a tricky subject. Before even making a guess, perhaps some of the folks who specialize in these early celadon pieces can help by clarify some things I see that are a bit puzzling.
My understanding is that the reason the mouth of the bowl is unglazed is because it's fired upside down. So, why is the foot ring unglazed?
Why would the glaze fall short of a clean line along the mouth of the bowl on what appears to be a beautiful glazed Song / Yuan style bowl?
Why is the silver fitting on the mouth of the bowl so perfectly clean and shiny? Did you clean it?
I have only questions about your bowl, and no answers.
Because a metal ring is attached to the rim does not necessarily mean that it is unglazed.
@avatar True. But in this case, you can see the glaze falls short of the silver rim, so the mouth is definitely unglazed.
This raises a point about the function of the silver band and another question.
The band is suppose to cover the unglazed surface, or at least that's what I have seen. Why put a narrow band that only covers part of the unglazed surface?
When I see inconsistencies like this, I get cold feet about buying.
No, you've got it wrong. One of my early Ming monochrome bowls also has this glaze falling even though the rim is glazed. Here's a longquan lotus dish from Christie's that also has it. https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-a-longquan-celadon-lotus-form-dish-southern-song-5982303/ You can find more exampless if you search google.
Well, unless my lying eyes were deceiving me, the mouth is glazed on that Christ's bowl. Did you read the description?
"covered inside and out with a thick unctuous glaze of pale sea-green tone with the exception of the foot ring"
Jamie,
Going to take an expert to opine on this one. All I can say is it is a beautiful bowl and could possibly be Ming. Have you thought of submitting the photos to Peter for his opinion?
George
@avatar This is a close up of the mouth of the bowl that Jamie has inquired about...
So, you can see that the mouth is unglazed, which is the reason for the silver rim. But why is there exposed unglazed porcelain? That doesn't seem to be what I've seen at auction...the silver rims always cover the unglazed portion very neatly, so the glaze touches flush to the silver.
That raises questions with me.
@ Greeno107 That's was my point The Christie's example has a the same glaze falling even though it has a glazed mouth rim. It's difficult to tell from the pictures if the area below the rim of Jamies bowl is glazed or if it shows the exposed body. Perhaps he could clarify. Is the area below the rim glazed or unglazed?
Yes, I will probably submit to Peter along with other items from the same estate. I got several nice pieces from this estate. Here is another item for your consideration. The deceased UK professor had great taste for sure. Small bronze only 11.5 cm tall. Very handsome piece.
Also, concerning the lotus cup, the glaze on the interior of the cup extends up into the silver mount. It only seems to fail on the exterior mouth rim.
Is it possible that the coin silver mount rim was add at a later date because the original rim dislodged or something?
@loveli4236 Yes, it could be a later replacement silver rim, but that's not my largest concern.
The exposed unglazed area seems much wider than the silver rim. Is the rim thinner than typical rims of the period, or is the unglazed area of the mouth wider than typical period bowls?
The photos seem to show the later, an unglazed mouth of the bowl that is twice the typical seen in period pieces.
Does it mean that it's a later copy? Not 100% sure, but it's a red flag....any inconsistencies should raise concerns.
Your Buddha seems to have very large hands and a narrow jaw line and chin....also very concerning, but maybe it's the angle of the photos.
I got wacked for $6500 on a very convincing gilt bronze Buddha a few years ago that turned out to be a 20th c copy. Another time I bought two buddhas and made $40,000 when sold at auction. So, my record for identifying genuine bronze buddhas is only so-so.
Hi Jamie, @william posted a celadon where the clay on the base came to a point, as your bowl appears to do also, did you see that post, it was recent. Sharon
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