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                        <title>RE: Famille Verte Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/famille-verte-vase-6/#post-92018</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2025 06:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t have to buy a kiln to take the pieces apart. Hot water or the baking stove will do in most cases.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don't have to buy a kiln to take the pieces apart. Hot water or the baking stove will do in most cases. </p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/">Help Identify This</category>                        <dc:creator>Shinigami</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Famille Verte Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/famille-verte-vase-6/#post-92004</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2025 01:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@webboy expertly well explained, I appreciate that info a lot! It&#039;ll be sitting around for a while so it&#039;s a good side project down the road and a study today.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@webboy expertly well explained, I appreciate that info a lot! It'll be sitting around for a while so it's a good side project down the road and a study today. </p>
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						                            <category domain="https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/">Help Identify This</category>                        <dc:creator>Preston Barski</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Famille Verte Vase</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 16:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@pbarski93 You did not pay too much, so seems a good deal, enjoy the study, this was an interesting study in itself. Thank you.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@pbarski93 You did not pay too much, so seems a good deal, enjoy the study, this was an interesting study in itself. Thank you.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Famille Verte Vase low viscosity</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/famille-verte-vase-6/#post-91996</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 15:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@pbarski93 Normally the resoration is done in 5 steps first you burn it in the kiln so all glue epoxie or hide glue will burn off an the piece comes apart second  you clean the shards from r...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pbarski93 Normally the resoration is done in 5 steps <strong>first</strong> you burn it in the kiln so all glue epoxie or hide glue will burn off an the piece comes apart <strong>second</strong>  you clean the shards from remaining glue or cement or what ever they used ( best done with a glass erasure )...<strong>third</strong> you put the piece together without glue just using tape , <strong>four</strong> fill the thin line where it broken with low viscosity epoxi resin that operates as a glue  <strong>fifth</strong> finaly u use a a high viscos resin with epoxy pigments an a thin brush to fill in gaps and mimik the glazing , of cours all this steps are reversible.</p>
<p>The whole process is done under a Microscope 5 to 8 times magnification takes up to 4 days but efective work maybee 3 Hours the rest is time to let the piece sit and the epoxie dry. Costs around 300 Dollars.</p>
<p>In Japan they often used grinded porcelain shards and mixed ist with Sodium silicate this is the best methode not even visibly under UV ligth and can stand high temperatures but the knowlege how to do it is mostly lost, and Epoxie is much cheaper and leads to the same result.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Famille Verte Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/famille-verte-vase-6/#post-91995</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 13:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It&#039;s something to think about with this one. Returning it is impossible due to the 2nd-hand reseller market. On the upside, it cost as much as a new book today so nothing crazy in terms of l...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's something to think about with this one. Returning it is impossible due to the 2nd-hand reseller market. On the upside, it cost as much as a new book today so nothing crazy in terms of loss. </p>
<p>If I get access or buy an electric kiln in the near future per @webboy, I'll update how it turns out. </p>
<p>Per the bubbling in the rest of the piece, I'm wondering if that's more enamel by an inexperienced hand during the repair process. Some self-attempting conservationists will go nuts with touch up paint on a damaged work when it just needed to be across one fine line. It looks like it was not really diluted during the application process. The color matching was OK at least but that's the only credit I'll give adherence to it. </p>
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<p>Since we're already in this hole of the vase, I have a couple tests I can try this weekend and see what comes out of it. </p>
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<p>@julia and @shinigami always appreciate the help with pinpointing its history a bit. </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Famille Verte Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/famille-verte-vase-6/#post-91994</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 11:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@julia I know what you mean but don&#039;t remember the name either. Famille mauve? Famille verte revival? In any case these faces are usually combined with nice green and grey decorations.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@julia I know what you mean but don't remember the name either. Famille mauve? Famille verte revival? In any case these faces are usually combined with nice green and grey decorations.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/">Help Identify This</category>                        <dc:creator>Shinigami</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Famille Verte Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/famille-verte-vase-6/#post-91993</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 08:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[The damage repair was awfully executed. It could be a good study piece. I don’t think it’s a fake at all.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The damage repair was awfully executed. It could be a good study piece. I don’t think it’s a fake at all.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Famille Verte Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/famille-verte-vase-6/#post-91992</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 07:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Looks like the Cat damaged and then repaired it ...i would put it in a small electric kiln like they use in studio pottery at 750 celsius what remains is genuine]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the Cat damaged and then repaired it ...i would put it in a small electric kiln like they use in studio pottery at 750 celsius what remains is genuine</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Famille Verte Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/famille-verte-vase-6/#post-91989</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 07:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It looks to be the same vase, I can still just about make out the cracks, which makes me wonder why there is all that bubbly looking white covering which goes way beyond the damage. It looke...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks to be the same vase, I can still just about make out the cracks, which makes me wonder why there is all that bubbly looking white covering which goes way beyond the damage. It looked better as it was even with the crack being so prominent- unless of course photography smoothed out that surface.</p>
<p>It looks like it might be one of those Canton Violet (? sorry, I've forgotten already what this is called and it was only on here a few weeks ago), they can be painted rather badly. I agree with Birgit's dating and view on the lack of desirability, but I am not sure if you can send it back. It will depend ....</p>
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                        <title>RE: Famille Verte Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/famille-verte-vase-6/#post-91987</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 06:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[The faces look authentic for around 1870 but by the overall impression it&#039;s not something I would buy. And not worth much in that condition. Do you think it was the same that was offered in ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The faces look authentic for around 1870 but by the overall impression it's not something I would buy. And not worth much in that condition. Do you think it was the same that was offered in the auction? I can't tell by the pictures. </p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/">Help Identify This</category>                        <dc:creator>Shinigami</dc:creator>
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