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                        <title>RE: Decorative? Triple Gourd Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/decorative-triple-gourd-vase/#post-88929</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@marrs_andersen 
Well, that&#039;s interesting. I am very much the wiser because you shared this with us. Thank you!]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@marrs_andersen </p>
<p>Well, that's interesting. I am very much the wiser because you shared this with us. Thank you! </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Decorative? Triple Gourd Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/decorative-triple-gourd-vase/#post-88916</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@steve Hi Steve,
Here is a link to the photos and video I made for what was going to be an eBay posting. 
Other than a chip to the rim and some wear on the base, there is not much in the w...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@steve Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Here is a link to the photos and video I made for what was going to be an eBay posting. </p>
<p>https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/hrbb2q4kjsq4lqn3451wn/ACkXRrfKclO-KziK9Qd_vQU?rlkey=w0ul9ef9swd1d65ghkqsyn5x7&amp;dl=0</p>
<p>Other than a chip to the rim and some wear on the base, there is not much in the way of wear. As you can see in the video, the surface is very glossy. The overall gloss is what made me think it was new. It does not have the same feel as other pieces of 19th century Chinese pottery I have had.</p>
<p>Thanks, Andrew</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Decorative? Triple Gourd Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/decorative-triple-gourd-vase/#post-88915</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@marrs_andersen Huh. That&#039;s interesting. Maybe it&#039;s stained and can&#039;t be removed? 
Are there any other telltale signs of age, like tiny, random scratches on the surface? Or does it look pri...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@marrs_andersen Huh. That's interesting. Maybe it's stained and can't be removed? </p>
<p>Are there any other telltale signs of age, like tiny, random scratches on the surface? Or does it look pristine? What does the inside bottom look like? </p>
<p>It would be fun if a wealthy dilettante paid to have it tested in a lab. (i know, not worth the cost even if it is 19th c.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Decorative? Triple Gourd Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/decorative-triple-gourd-vase/#post-88914</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@steve @imperialfinegems
Hi Mark and Steve, Peter went for his &quot;if it does not add up&quot; approach. Saying that the form is strange and atypical. Not like Kangxi revival or anything else. ( I ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@steve @imperialfinegems</p>
<p>Hi Mark and Steve, Peter went for his "if it does not add up" approach. Saying that the form is strange and atypical. Not like Kangxi revival or anything else. ( I found only two with a similar shape, one of those was decorated quite differently). The decoration is strange with the fanciful rooflines etc. He said the foot rim looks well done ("kind of scary") and very much like a 19th century one might have, but that it just does not look right overall. I did clean up the foot and the orange color appears baked in and quite legit with concentrated spots like specks of iron impurity in the clay. </p>
<p>Always learning.</p>
<p>Best, Andrew  </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Decorative? Triple Gourd Vase</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@marrs_andersen 
Interesting. Thank you for the update! 
Your instincts were right. I guess the iron oxide orange in the foot rim is faked. Have you tried cleaning it and seeing if it come...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@marrs_andersen </p>
<p>Interesting. Thank you for the update! </p>
<p>Your instincts were right. I guess the iron oxide orange in the foot rim is faked. Have you tried cleaning it and seeing if it comes off?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Decorative? Triple Gourd Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/decorative-triple-gourd-vase/#post-88901</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 04:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Out of interest what made Peter think it was contemporary?
Is it heavy or light? 
Mark]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of interest what made Peter think it was contemporary?</p>
<p>Is it heavy or light? </p>
<p>Mark </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Decorative? Triple Gourd Vase</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2024 23:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@steve @imperialfinegems @shinigami
Hi All, here is an update.
I was about to list this vase for sale when I had second thoughts about what it might be, so I sent Peter some pictures.
He ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>@steve</span> <a title="Adams Asian Art" href="https://bidamount.com/participant/imperialfinegems">@imperialfinegems</a><span> </span><a title="Shinigami" href="https://bidamount.com/participant/shinigami">@shinigami</a></p>
<p>Hi All, here is an update.</p>
<p>I was about to list this vase for sale when I had second thoughts about what it might be, so I sent Peter some pictures.</p>
<p>He says contemporary (early 2000's) Kangxi wanna be. He remembered the one in the Rob Michiels Auction as he had issues with it at that time as well.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your time and input, Andrew</p>
<p> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Decorative? Triple Gourd Vase</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/decorative-triple-gourd-vase/#post-88834</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2024 15:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Wow! Very interesting. I see how the form does look Japanese with the taller bottom bulge. The only two other comps I found are from auction houses calling them Chinese.

 This from a 2019...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Very interesting. I see how the form does look Japanese with the taller bottom bulge. The only two other comps I found are from auction houses calling them Chinese.</p>
83380
<p> This from a 2019 Rob Michiels sale and then this from a Freemans sale.</p>
83381
<p>So there is that.</p>
<p>Thanks for your input. I am glad to be wrong on this one.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Decorative? Triple Gourd Vase</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2024 15:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[P.S. My point #1 was worded poorly. What I mean is that Japanese examples tend to have blurry underglaze blue and the body tends to be slightly grey.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. My point #1 was worded poorly. What I mean is that Japanese examples tend to have blurry underglaze blue and the body tends to be slightly grey. </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Decorative? Triple Gourd Vase</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2024 15:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@shinigami
@imperialfinegems 
Hi Everyone,
I&#039;m going to make a case that it&#039;s Chinese.
1. The underglaze painting is very crisp and the body of vase more white than greyish, as often see...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>@shinigami</span></p>
<p>@imperialfinegems </p>
<p>Hi Everyone,</p>
<p>I'm going to make a case that it's Chinese.</p>
<p>1. The underglaze painting is very crisp and the body of vase more white than greyish, as often seen in Japanese examples.</p>
<p>2. The "Kangxi-style" late Qing blue and white export decorations were often mixed with a revived water-and-pagoda ("Nanking" &amp; "Canton") motifs but done in an expressive and energetic way. (See attached example - note the elongated roof.) </p>
<p>It's true that this vase features the most mannered and exaggerated I've seen, but in looking at all the aspects, I'd conclude that it's Chinese.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
83379
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