Celadon charger with etched characters on underside - Help Identify This

RE: Celadon charger with etched characters on underside

Steve — Mon, 11 Mar 2024 21:35:22 +0000

Update: a friend of mine translated the left two characters. Here is his response:

"Left side is a name. Googled the characters王寅. Translated Chinese wikipedia:

Wang Yin can be the following people:

Wang Yin (Yin County), a writer of the Ming Dynasty

Wang Yin (Yongle Juren), a person who was elected in Yongle for three years in the Ming Dynasty, was a politician.

Wang Yin (Chenghua Jinshi), a 17-year-old Jinshi in the Ming Dynasty, a politician

Wang Yin, one of the poets of the Maritime Poetry School

Wang Yin, the father of Li Shishi, a famous prostitute in the Song Dynasty

Wang Yin, Shanghai poet, (1962-)

Or it is someone else, perhaps the maker of the plate."

P.S. I see there is a 20th c. Hong Kong actor by that name as well.

RE: Celadon charger with etched characters on underside

Steve — Mon, 11 Mar 2024 15:58:28 +0000

@ming1449 That's beautiful! Thank you.

@sharonp Thanks for the suggestion; sadly, it didn't work. I might try oxi clean for laundry.

RE: Celadon charger with etched characters on underside

Sharon P — Mon, 11 Mar 2024 14:10:38 +0000

@steve Take a q-tip with nail polish remover/acetone to the hairlines, let it sit and rinse with clear water after a day or so, it lightens the hairlines, often made from tea or food use. Peter said it would not harm the enamel, so I did it and he was right. I rubbed the q-tip back and forth over the stained hairline, it did lesson the appearance of the hairline. Just soak it well before having your cookies from it.

RE: Celadon charger with etched characters on underside

Ming1449 — Mon, 11 Mar 2024 10:25:13 +0000

@steve

Hi Steve -

Just for comparison, attached images of several such dishes;

1; Lot 254, Sby’s London 15 May 2013, YZ m/p.
2/3; HK private collection, YZ m/p.
5/6; Large dish, 36cm, with pale celadon glaze showing the exterior incised design. Unmarked, from my collection.

Although output declined markedly after the mid/late 15th century, celadons from Longquan continued to be made throughout the Qing dynasty and Republic periods, and are still produced today, so difficult to say where your example was made …

Stuart

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RE: Celadon charger with etched characters on underside

Steve — Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:59:41 +0000

@ming1449

Hi Stuart,

Thanks for the information.

I know celadons are still produced today (I think Peter said they weren't as much during the Republic Era). Most if not all of the ones produced recently imitate the Longquan footrim and style as much as possible.

Do you know where one like mine would have been produced? Not Jingdezhen, I'm assuming.

Regards,

Steve

RE: Celadon charger with etched characters on underside

Ming1449 — Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:50:33 +0000

@steve

Hi Steve -

The Yongzheng and early/mid Qianlong examples of such pieces, most with lotus but occasionally peony, have the incised design repeated to the exterior and were ordered in several different monochrome glaze colours …

The bases on such pieces can be white glazed with Imperial underglaze blue marks, or glazed the same colour as the piece with an impressed mark …

None Imperial but high quality examples of both designs were also produced throughout the YZ and QL periods with different monochrome glazes. These also have either white/same colour bases but are unmarked …

The lotus design dishes were very popular, and production of such continues well into the 19th century, but the carving/glaze quality can vary considerably …

Stuart

RE: Celadon charger with etched characters on underside

Steve — Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:31:13 +0000

@johnshoe Yes, that would be nice. I gave it a denture-cleaner bath yesterday but it didn't help lighten the cracks. I don't feel like buying a gallon of pure peroxide from Florida like Peter recommends. Maybe a little bleach on a q-tip?

RE: Celadon charger with etched characters on underside

johnshoe — Sun, 10 Mar 2024 13:23:50 +0000

@steve Great find! Maybe try getting those hairlines cleaned up. It will really present nicely. John

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Adams Asian Art — Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:12:07 +0000

It's a nice find. At that size it's a charger.

Mark

RE: Celadon charger with etched characters on underside

Steve — Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:10:09 +0000

@lotusblack By Jove, I think you're right! Thank you, Brian!

For comparison, the foot rim of a mark and period Qianlong plate sold at Christie's; very similar.

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@sharonp Thanks, Sharon! I guess it doesn't look so ordinary now to me. 😜

BTW: It's really more of a small charger/large plate at 13".