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Dear all,
Recently I picked up this pair of plates. They are over 9” diameter , thinly potted and light weight. I think they are 18th, however the backside is darker than 18th c. Made me think maybe 19th.
And it said for American market from the listing. They are purple not blue, confused there as well. Thanks in advance for all your comments.
Yin
Hi Yin,
You've made some very fun buys lately (I particularly enjoyed your punch bowl from Brunks).
This plate is illustrated on p. 150 of China to Order by Nadler. He notes that it was made for the Persian market, "but examples found their way to Brazil and North America." Click Here for Link to Nadler Book
On whether your plates are American, or Persian market, Nadler doesn't make an assertion that this pattern was only made for the Persian market, just that it is "the premier pattern produced for the Persian market." It is the serving plate on page 148 with the Persian inscription that provides some evidence that this pattern was made for the Persian market. However, I don't recall this border made for any services in the American market, or the Spanish market. I think it safe to assume yours are also Persian market, absent the American/Spanish armorial/pseudo-armorial examples. Maybe Nadler meant that these Persian market examples found their way to Brazil and NA.
John
What date did it give, John? These look to have similarities with the features of certain plates/dishes that I want to ask Peter about.
@julia Hi Julia! I posted the link above! Here it is without the link text: https://online.flippingbook.com/view/852775/150/
The Persian market service is dated 1833, whereas this dish is dated with a range between 1790 and 1830.
Nice plates, in the ball park for late 18th, early 19th century!
Regards,
Michael
Silly me! Sorry, John, thank you for the new link, what a nice think to be able to access online. That is very helpful as I provisionally dated the three items I have to 1830 and that is what I was thinking as the later date for Yin's pieces, certainly I think they are 1800 to 1830.
I must get around to asking Peter about this.
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