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I see that Peter has released a video where he mentions an interesting auction to be held in Milano, Italy in late January. Will we see a new Italian record price for Chinese antiques? https://www.cambiaste.com/uk/auction-0444/a-rare-large-and-magnificent-doucai-vase-tianq-1.asp https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/a-fine-magnificent-and-extremely-rare-doucai-6145632-details.aspx Many other tempting lots are also on offer.
The jades on offer (lots 12-80) are for the most part uninspiring and mediocre in my opinion.
The two jade mountains (lot 52-53 estimate of €8000-12000 and €3000-4000 respectively) are interesting and worth further investigating if you are interested in Jade mountains/boulders. Not sure if these two lots are really from the Qianlong period or later 19th century.
Lot 45 consisting of 10 jade figures (19th century) is also a nice looking group on offer with an estimate of €2000-4000.
The jade and ivory brush (lot 60 estimate €1000-1500) listed as 1800's is not genuine! Not only is it not jade, it is not ivory and it is definitely not from the stated period. It's a 20th century tourist type ware commonly available throughout China. The handle/other is bone (note the calcium pock/pit holes commonly seen on bone and never seen on ivory).
The stone would either be a form of Soapstone or worse, stained glass!
Mark
He he he
Giovanni from Italy
The doucai tianqiuping is an awful 20/21st century reproduction. I am far from being an expert and I can see that it is wrong in every aspect. Just the shape is way off.
What? The doucai vase at Cambi is fake? This requires further investigation. I can find Qianlong 'tianquiping' vases that are very similar in shape. And here is the Qianlong tianqiuping which is at the Palace Museum, Beijing. https://www.flickr.com/photos/sftrajan/7388051986/
Yes, I would also say the shape looks like someone has worked hard to achieve it but not quite got there! I also find the colours very harsh for a genuine doucai piece and the design overly busy. Besides, that yellow looks like the yellow on the modern lamp base I posted in another thread.
I don't have the experience to say whether or not it is genuine, but I have enough doubts to prevent me bidding on it - if I could afford to do so. Anyway, genuine or not, I don't particularly like it: doucai usually has an aura of peace and simplicity, whereas this is rather jarring.
The decorations are too busy and look stiff. Please note the stiffness of the lotus flower and the ugly brown flower on the following picture. A greyish/brown flower!?? The same ugly greyish/brown color is used to decorate the entire vase. The color palette is wrong. It isn't remotely close to be imperial qianlong quality. You can compare it to these two sold at christies.
https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/a-fine-and-rare-large-doucai-jardiniere-6209333-details.aspx
I would concur with Springmeier and Julia comments, and only add that the writing of the six-character seal mark contains numerous stroke errors ...
Also interesting that no mention of any provenance is given in the catalogue entry?!🤔 ...
Stuart
Yes, the diferences between the enameling of Cambi's vase and the jardinieres at Christie's are obvious. We are probably not going to see any new record here ...
Just adding the video from Peter. I was wondering why he didn't mentionj the doucai vase on the frontpage of the catalogue...
There is a couple more interesting marked lots in the same sale. This glass mallet vase has a sticker that reads 'Goffi Carboni, Roma', and stated to be of the Qing dynast. https://www.cambiaste.com/uk/auction-0444/a-beijing-glass-vase-china-qing-dynasty.asp When googling said dealer I find this: http://www.gofficarboni.com/Default.aspx?lang=eng If it is a Qinalong period example it could probably do pretty well at Sotheby's? http://elogedelart.canalblog.com/archives/2009/10/10/15381357.html
I might be way of base but the qianlong mark on the glass bottle is similar to the marks used during the Republic period.
The example from sotheby's is markedly different.
Mark
I'm not sure about the mark but there is always the posibility of contacting Goffi Carboni to hear if they can confirm they have sold the vase and if so if they sold it as Qianlong mark and period.
But there are also two cloisonné pieces where Eskenazi is noted as provenance. As you probably know he started his career in Milano. https://www.cambiaste.com/it/asta-0410/raro-incensiere-a-smalti-cloisonne-con-fiori-d.asp https://www.cambiaste.com/it/asta-0410/vasetto-a-smalti-cloisonne-con-decoro-di-zucch.asp
Sorry, my mistake. The two cloisonné pieces I just linked to is from a past sale. They are sold already.
But in the same sale there was also this Ming jade buffalo that sold for only 1600 euro. https://www.cambiaste.com/it/asta-0410/rara-figura-di-bufalo-scolpita-in-giada-e-russ.asp It has been offered before with a 10,000 - 15,000 euro estimate but left unsold. https://www.cambiaste.com/uk/auction-0195-2/a-rare-yellow-jade-and-russet-buffalo-sculptur-2.asp I like how the material compares to that of this Song jade buffalo inscribed with a poem by Qianlong offered at Sotheby's. http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/arcadian-beauty-exceptional-works-from-song-dynasty-hk0821/lot.3113.html I wish I was the one who bought the jade buffalo a Cambi for 1600 euro.
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