BidAmount Forum - Recent Posts https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/ BidAmount Discussion Board en-US Sun, 26 Jul 2026 00:20:48 +0000 wpForo 60 RE: Chinese or Japanese copies? https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/chinese-or-japanese-copies/#post-99175 Sat, 25 Jul 2026 04:58:07 +0000 Oh I see. Thanks for the clarification.  That bowl is Chinese, in my opinion. I will check out some others online. 

]]> Julia https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/chinese-or-japanese-copies/#post-99175 RE: Chinese or Japanese copies? https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/chinese-or-japanese-copies/#post-99174 Fri, 24 Jul 2026 18:56:09 +0000 I have taken photos of the copy bowl which I have purchased. It is around the same size as my Zisu bowls at 12cm wide, but the the white glaze has a bluish grey tone and definitely a porcelain body rather than a white porcelaneous stoneware one. I would be grateful for opinions on whether this copy is Japanese or Chinese.

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I am sorry if I caused some confusion with my bowl. It's characteristics are purely Northern Song Dangyangyu ware apart from the unusual slip-painted decoration. I actually now have three of these "Zisu" bowls which were all from the same private collection and I had to wait more than three years to be able to reunite all three bowls.

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I had previously thought that this trio may be unique, but I have been made aware of the much later, possibly modern, copies. It is unlikely that the copied bowls were based on my bowls and so I assume that there must be at least another very similar Northern Song Dangyangyu Zisu bowl which was copied.


I am trying to find out if the copies are all Japanese or Chinese so that I can concentrate my search for the other original bowl in China or Japan, although it may not be that simple.

I do not have enough experience with later porcelain to be able to distinguish between Chinese or Japanese copies.

Kind regards,
Jeremy

]]> Jeremy https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/chinese-or-japanese-copies/#post-99173 RE: Chinese or Japanese copies? https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/chinese-or-japanese-copies/#post-99172 Fri, 24 Jul 2026 14:59:24 +0000 That base doesn't look like the jizhou pieces that I have had, neither to be honest does the interior, but it does make me think of either papercut wares or slip-decorated cizhou-type pieces.

Sorry, I can't help, I hope someone else can. 

]]> Julia https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/chinese-or-japanese-copies/#post-99172 RE: Chinese or Japanese copies? https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/chinese-or-japanese-copies/#post-99171 Fri, 24 Jul 2026 05:47:49 +0000 Hello Julia

Thank you for your kind help.

Below is a photograph of the base of my bowl as per your request. I hope you will notice that my bowl has a stoneware body, but the inside of the footring has a small area showing the pure white body which has been protected from the centuries of grime. Only the Ding and Dangyangyu kilns produced dark glazed wares with a white porcelaneous stoneware body during the Northern Song period. My bowl is definitely not Dingyao due to the crackle in the ivory white glaze.

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Below is a close up photograph of the dark glaze on the bowl. It is worth comparing it to the glaze on a Meiping jar which is currently for sale at Mayuyama in Japan.

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https://www.mayuyama.jp/item/brown-glazed-ltigtmeipinltigt-jar/

 

However, what is extremely unusual is the slip-painted decoration and having found much later and poorer copies of this decoration, I am trying to find out why these copies were produced. I have purchased one of those copies, described as Japanese Meiji period. Below are some photographs showing the porcelain body and the very poor copy of the earlier decoration.

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Kind regards,

Jeremy 

]]> Jeremy https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/chinese-or-japanese-copies/#post-99171 RE: Chinese or Japanese copies? https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/chinese-or-japanese-copies/#post-99170 Fri, 24 Jul 2026 05:08:57 +0000 The bottom two photos do look to be Japanese (right) and Chinese batavia-ware, but yours is different, I think yours is a jizhou piece - although not being an expert, it may be cizhou, but I think it is the former.

It is very nice, may we see the bottom? I imagine it must be from around the Song period. 

]]> Julia https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/chinese-or-japanese-copies/#post-99170 Chinese or Japanese copies? https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/chinese-or-japanese-copies/#post-99169 Fri, 24 Jul 2026 04:44:38 +0000 Hello All

Please may I ask for your help in regards to this humble slip-painted bird.

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It is on a bowl in my collection and I believe that it significantly predates the images which I have gathered online below.

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I believe that the group of images may be based on on a bowl similar to mine which may have been in an exhibition or a Museum collection and I am trying to find out if these much later bowls were made in China or Japan. Some of the bowls have been described as being Chinese Batavia-ware, whereas others Meiji period Japanese. I suspect that some may be 20th century, but it would be helpful to find out if they are Chinese or Japanese.

A couple of the bowls posted online have under-glaze blue characters.

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Kind regards,
Jeremy

]]> Jeremy https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/chinese-or-japanese-copies/#post-99169 Found along side a $1,400 1970 Kiyoshi Saito - all three framed in same style https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/found-along-side-a-1400-1970-kiyoshi-saito-all-three-framed-in-same-style/#post-99167 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 15:31:28 +0000 Hello community! Pleasure to make all your acquaintances! I am here because I am trying to ID two pieces of art my brother thrifted - he thrifted three total pieces, a Kiyoshi Saito, and these two I cannot find anything on. Any help is appreciated! :) 

sorry for formatting, I am on mobile :(

97248 97247 97246 97245 97243 97244]]> Vladimir Arellano https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/found-along-side-a-1400-1970-kiyoshi-saito-all-three-framed-in-same-style/#post-99167 RE: Miniature blue and white Cup (Help me identify it please) https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/miniature-blue-and-white-cup-help-me-identify-it-please/#post-99166 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 09:51:54 +0000 I think Julia is right. Altar pieces, probably for home use, not in a temple. They seem to have some age, but it's difficult to tell with so simple items. I can't even say if they are Chinese or from South East Asia. 

]]> Shinigami https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/miniature-blue-and-white-cup-help-me-identify-it-please/#post-99166 RE: Miniature blue and white Cup (Help me identify it please) https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/miniature-blue-and-white-cup-help-me-identify-it-please/#post-99165 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 04:49:54 +0000 Hi,

They could be altar pieces, but I am not really sure. Hopefully someone else will know.

Julia

]]> Julia https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/miniature-blue-and-white-cup-help-me-identify-it-please/#post-99165