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Celadon Vase with Qianlong Mark - Opinions on date
I had a nice find at a market yesterday in the early hours of the morning, it was a long day, but it paid off. I was in the right place at the right time. I bought two things of a lady, a nice blue and white charger and this little gem. It has a beautiful celadon colour to it, a six character Qianlong mark on the bottom which is hand painted and around the body it has eight raised nodes. The foot is very nicely done, see photos, and it is in perfect condition. It measures approximately 27 cm high. I am going to put it on for auction on Thursday for ten days. Anybody’s opinion on the date would be greatly appreciated. I am not too sure if it is of the period or a late 19th century/early 20th century piece. My opinion is that it is possibly late 19th century.
hi boxing and everyone, you have found a very nice looking celadon piece with bosses, (nodes), never saw one before with the bosses. The underglaze blue chen lung mark almost looks imperial and hand painted to me, but what do I know. You would do well to hang on to this one until you can positively date it for sure to the period. I think you have a quality celadon there mate, good job. Maybe we can get peter or some other senior member to make a comment here.
Hi Joe, thank you for your comment, much appreciated. I see you have a great passion for Asian art. I have only started in this field in the last twelve months or so, I still have a huge amount to learn, but it is very interesting. You could say I am in my Chinese period. I am on the road at the moment, when I get back a bit later on, I am going to put some better pictures on. Have a good day, speak soon.
The mark is tight and nice, but the overall shape lacks what I would call "implerial splendor" or "imperial refinement". Don't get me wrong, the shape is well potted. The proportions just lack a little bit of finesse to them. They pretty much perfected the shapes by the 18th century in the imperial kilns. It's really the bosses that give it away. They are just too "nipple-like" - it doesn't look correct. The footrim also doesn't look correct to me, greyish and evenly worn. The porcelain of the foot should be finer/whiter, perhaps some dirty wear is ok (even heavy can be ok) with a yellowing tinge. An 18th century footrim is below from a sold alms bowl with underglaze blue and copper-red decoration. The footrim below is of a high quality but is not imperial, expect better and cleaner for an imperial piece.
It is what it is!
Hi Collecting Asia, thank you for your time and input and your picture, much appreciated. Do you think it may be late 19th century or early 20th century, judged by the foot rim and how thick it was potted? I see what you mean, it needs to be more refined probably to be an early piece. My gut feeling was that it was late 19th century. You really pointed something out to me and I will take good note, so hopefully next time I will be able to recognise if it is an early or a later piece. Anyway, I am going to put it up for sale tomorrow for ten days on eBay. I wonder how well it will do. Thank you once again.
The mark has typical errors found on late 19th C. copies as well as more modern ones.
Heres a link to a post we did a couple years ago with a bunch of actual marks from many periods.
Hi Peter, thank you for your input. I love talking on the site to people and to hear their opinions. There is a lot to learn from other people’s knowledge. Would I be incorrect or correct in saying that this is an apocryphal mark and not intended to fool anybody? In your opinion or anybody’s else’s opinion is it a late 19th century or early 20th century piece? I bought it with an 18th century blue and white charger, from the same person. It is very nicely potted and has a nice foot rim to it, looks like the potter has taken his time to finish it well. Thanks.
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